discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. powers, and Beerus trapped him in a sword, which may or may not have been known as the Z Sword at the time. [Ref: Elder Kaioshin mentions fusing with the witch in Chapter 502, and says this is where his abilities come from. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. His TFS counterpart is almost identical to the original Beerus, being an epicurean, having a hair-trigger temper, being very impulsive, and very proud of his status as a deity. Question. Dragon Clan Namekians being the ones who make Dragon Balls is from Chapter 265 and 393.]. Beerus is connected to the Elder Kai. Let me know if you need any source materials from the manga or full color manga to create a storyboard from. Elder Kai, or Dai Kaiōshin as referred to by the relentless fusion of Gokū and Vegeta, is a Kaioushin who made his first appearance in the Boo saga of Dragon Ball Z (both the anime and manga). As in "seal the Elder Kai in the Z-Sword magic". tl;dr: So the long and short of it is: About 75,000,000 years ago Beerus and the Kaioshin from 15 generations ago got together for the first time in 1,000 years for a meeting. The major difference between Elder Kai and Supreme Kai is that Elder Kai was the Supreme Kai of a different era. Good. So I remember King Kai told Goku that Beerus could sneeze or something and send him to the other side of the universe. Thanks guys, I really need the help, this could turn out great. It used to be so big that its diameter was about 100 times that of Kaiō’s current planet. Old Kai, or more frequently referred to as Elder Kai, is the former Supreme Kai of Universe 7. I was given the topic "God" and was instantly drawn to the idea of doing my own graphic novel in the Dragonball universe, with the topic of God I was instantly drawn to lord Beerus. Daizenshuu 7 dates this to 75 million years ago, perhaps because the current East Kaioshin is over 5 million years, making a Kaioshin generation about that long.]. He may be physically weaker than the others but his place on this list is purely because even though he has lost some of his godly powers, he is able to tap into an individual’s hidden potential and unlock it completely. During one of these meetings, held roughly 75 Million Before Age, they got into an argument over some trifling thing and a certain short-tempered God of Destruction, Beerus, sealed Old Kai away inside the Z Sword as it would not have been proper for him to destroy the Sacred World of the Kais itself. IIRC, if you want to reconcile events currently told and the Buu Saga, Beerus was less powerful than Majin Buu at the time (Elder Kai said something like "the monster who sealed me wasn't as terrible as Buu", again IIRC). Also, magic. Purple cat: 0 Weird, tiny genie thing: 1 (Totallynotchewbacca) Inconclusive: 0 Anime Debut Whis then takes the opportunity to note all of the very lazy and irresponsible things he does as a God of Destruction, such as caring more about sleeping and consuming food than destroying planets. He is a character who debuts in the Dragon Ball Z movie Battle of Gods and also appears in Dragon Ball Super. A: The Kaiōshin (who create planets) and the Gods of Destruction (who destroy them) have never gotten along that well, but once every 1,000 years they go to each other’s realms and hold a coordination meeting. Prior to his Fusion with Old Witch, he had a purple mohawk and a much younger face, giving him an appearance similar to Shin. But Elder Kaioshin does describe the person who sealed him, which I guess we now have to apply to Beerus. I believe that Beerus and up should be classified as at least high 3A tier, if not 2C tier, and Goku should be minimally 3A, possibly as high as 2C as well. A - The Kaiōshin (who create planets) and the Gods of Destruction (who destroy them) have never gotten along that well, but once every 1,000 years they go to each other’s realms and hold a coordination meeting. If this is your first time visiting T5, then feel free to browse our forums. Q: Who was it that sealed the Elder Kaiōshin away in the Z Sword? Well, not as much as this Majin Boo guy now, but still~. As for when this takes place, Daizenshuu #7 provides a very helpful timeline, as most of Elder Kaioshin's history happens tens of millions of years before the series begins. Nothing comes straight to mind for a good idea, so I'll give you advice instead. Not the greatest idea Haha, but do with it what you will. But yes, he does seem to be naive about Lord Beerus' actions and nature. Over time, the Kaioshins forget about the trapped East Kaioshin, and come to believe that the Z Sword itself grants tremendous power. (Though the Win Conditions say: Defeat all enemies) on King Kai's Planet. The events of Dragon Ball Z showed us that he was unable to outright kill Kid Buu (who had already absorbed South Kai), leading to his absorption. Location:King Kai Planet. This info is great, I would really like some of that source material, would help heaps. The God of Destruction for Universe 7 made quick work of every Z Fighter in his debut, including Goku at the Super Sayian God level, and even throughout Dragon Ball Super his strength has been unrivaled by almost ever being in the Dragon Ball Universe. He did it, he se~ealed me away inside that sword. Copyright 2020 ComicBook.com. Beerus suddenly bolts up from his bed and shouts at whis. He figured that nobody would break the Z-Sword and he would be safe. None succeed. This became Kaiō’s current planet. Looooong, looooong ago, there was this ridiculously strong and baaaaad dude. All rights reserved. So I wanted to know how strong would Beerus need to be to sneeze or blow to send Goku to the other side of the universe? Though, according to Episode 55 of DBS, Beerus tells Whis to ensure that if Grand Zeno were to lash out, that Supreme Kai should be protected, which Whis then revealed to Goku (after the Saiyan showed shock in Beerus caring about Supreme Kai in the first place) that Beerus’ life force was directly connected to Supreme Kai’s … [GOKU groans] KING KAI: Oh, so you're still breathing. Yep, sure wa~as.”, Goku: “…He don’t look like that amazin’ an old-timer…I’ll test him out a bit.”, Goku: “…Like I thought, he’s just an old blowhard…”, Elder Kaioshin: “It-it wasn’t my power that my enemy was freaked out by…! Naturally, it wouldn't have been proper for him to destroy the Kaiōshin Realm itself. It was my ferocious ‘ability’!”. In episode 12, when Super Saiyan God Goku and Beerus were punching each other, the shock waves generated from their clash were so powerful that they were destroying everything in the universe. At this time, they got into an argument over some trifling thing, and a certain short-tempered God of Destruction sealed Elder Kaiōshin away inside a sword. He also warns the Namekians against using the Dragon Balls for the sake of other planets. Also despite his past history with Elder Kai, whom he had sealed within the Z Sword, Beerus is for the most part civil towards Elder Kai, though threatens to destroy him when he tests Beerus' patience when Elder Kai still holds a grudge for being sealed while complaining to himself loud enough that Beerus can hear him, though Whis manages to defuse the situation with food. --On Planet Namek, members of the Namekian Dragon Clan create “Dragon Balls”, magical artifacts which can grant any wish. His face is very wrinkled, showing his age. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! Supreme Kai , King Kai and Elder Kai are all talking to each other , until a man in Black walks up to them and pulls out a sword . Since Battle of Gods was released nearly two decades after the series had stopped running, Beerus being the one who sealed Elder Kaioshin in Z Sword is something that's never stated in the series itself. I can see where the confusion could come from, as Elder Kai revealed that Beerus sealed him in the Z-Sword, though even if Elder Kai was life-linked originally, that life-line was severed in the Buu Saga after Elder Kai sacrificed his life essence to restore Goku’s, bringing the Saiyan back to life (even if Porunga would have brought him back to life shortly after) The immensely powerful being has proven over and over again that he's capable of leveling worlds over petty grudges. Elder Kaio-shin, who had already fused with the witch, had a disagreement over something stupid, possibly relating to Elder Kaioshin's (new?) Beerus sealed him in the Z-Sword to protect himself from dying. Over the next 15 Kaioshin generations (equivalent to 75 million years), countless Kaioshins attempt to pull the sword out, both to free the trapped East Kaioshin inside, and to receive the tremendous power-up he grants. As a result, the East Kaioshin is stuck with the witch’s aged appearance, but he also gains several mysterious abilities. Beerus made Majin Buu (which you'll remember, is the form where the Grand Supreme Kai has been absorbed by Buu) into a punching bag in both Battle of Gods and the retelling in Dragon Ball Super. Kibito's surprised emotion wasn't based on Lord Beerus his existence and role/power, but on the response and emotions that the elder Kai showed as he had never seen him "that afraid" before. ELDER KAI: The consequences will be dire. In the video, Kibito Kai clearly says that he is aware of who Lord Beerus is, when elder kai begins explaining it to him. ELDER KAI: Their impacts are creating energy shockwaves, like earthquakes creating tsunamis. Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P6.5, P7.2, P8.2-3, Elder Kaioshin: “That’s riiiiight. ELDER KAI: The whole universe as we know it could be ripped apart. Perfect, now all I need is to come up with a story so I can do a fight between Beerus and Kai, but I need help writing the story, what will the argument be about, how will the fight play out and how will Beerus trap Old Kai in the Z sword. At this time, they got into an argument over some trifling thing, and a certain short-tempered God of Destruction sealed Elder Kaiōshin away inside a sword. Q - Who was it that sealed the Elder Kaiōshin away in the Z Sword? Naturally, it wouldn’t have been proper for him to destroy the Kaiōshin Realm itself. Elder Kaioshin: “That’s ri~ight. From a narrative and setting standpoint, I think this will be the bread and butter of your comic. Based on everything we know and everything we've seen in both the manga and anime, the Grand Supreme Kai would not be able to defeat Beerus. Dragon Ball sets consist of seven balls, each one containing a different number of stars, and when all seven are gathered a dragon will appear and grant wishes. As it has been stated, if either the God of Destruction or the Kaioshin dies, the other will perish too. I suppose it was also Beerus who placed that sword in the rock pillar on the Kaioshin planet. Nope, he has no actual feats that rival Beerus' and the first arc confirmed neither the Supreme Kai nor Elder Kai had even the slightest fucking clue how strong Beerus actually was and … WARNING: The following contains spoilers for Dragon Ball Super Chapter #67, by Akira Toriyama, Toyotarou, Caleb Cook and Brandon Bovia, available now in English from Viz Media.. As Universe 7's God of Destruction, Beerus isn't a character who takes humiliation lightly. KING KAI: Uh, all right! According to what Toriyama established in the Twel-Buu Mysteries interview for the June 2014 issue of Saikyō Jump, we know that it was a small, trifling disagreement between the Kaioushin and the Hakaishin (Gods of Destruction) that caused Beerus to seal Rou Kaioushin in the Z Sword. [1] --A certain powerful, evil being becomes afraid of the East Kaioshin’s ability to draw people’s power out beyond its limits, and seals him within the Z Sword. Here’s my reasoning for this. — Elder Kai describing Beerus. The East Kaioshin carelessly allows an old witch to take one of his Potara earrings. So with each powerful character's introduction, fans are bound to ask how'd they'd stack up against almighty cat god. The latest chapter of the manga showed he was able to give Buu the power to take on Moro in a fight (before the Namekian Dragon Balls got involved, that is), and he eventually swapped places with Buu's consciousness in order to help the others. In this quest, Elder Kai wants you to defeat yourself. Bleach Wishes You A Happy Holidays With Arrancar Cosplay, Dragon Ball Heroes Unveils New Key Visual With Super Saiyan 4 Broly, Attack On Titan Gives Update on Chapter 136, Evangelion 3.0 + 1.0 Releases Final Trailer, Pokemon: Secret of the Jungle Will Reveal New Info on Ash’s Father, My Hero Academia Reveals Santa Aizawa in Christmas 2020 Promo, Attack On Titan's Survey Corps Celebrates The Holidays With Festive Art, Dragon Ball Super Shares the Hopeful Fate of New Namek. By the way, that God of Destruction was Beerus. It’s possible though that this occurred millions of years prior to his imprisonment. So there probably wasn't a fist fight between them, but rather some silly, petty disagreement. Ever since he was first introduced in Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods back in March 2013, Dragon Ball fans around the world have speculated over how strong Beerus truly is. Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P6.5, P7.2, P8.2-3 He wears a typical Kai outfit with teal underclothes. But let's try removing Buu from the equation and just consider him when he had his own body as the Grand Supreme Kai. The information that Beerus seals Elder Kaioshin in the Z Sword comes from June 2014's Saikyo Jump. Shoukd just do the training sessions of Beerus and Whispering instead, the other fight is a blowout. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Well, not as much as this Majin Boo guy now, but still~. The East Kaioshin of the time fears the way in which the Dragon Balls confuse the natural order, and allows only the Namekians to use them, since they are the only ones he trusts to use them responsibly. As the Dragon Ball Wiki states, he … According to a Q&A in the Full Color manga, Beerus destroyed Kaio's planet because he lost at a racecar video game. Since Battle of Gods was released nearly two decades after the series had stopped running, Beerus being the one who sealed Elder Kaioshin in Z Sword is something that's never stated in the series itself. But Elder Kaioshin does describe the person who sealed him, which I guess we now have to apply to Beerus. And since we know Beerus outclasses Kid Buu by quite a margin, that means Grand Supreme Kai likely wouldn't have lasted long in a fight against him. By Connor Casey Majin Boo versus Beerus is a fight that takes place on Earth after a hostile dispute, over a cup of pudding with Majin Boo— during Beerus' visit to find the Super Saiyan God.12 1 Prelude 2 Battle 3 Aftermath 4 Film Adaptation 5 References See also: Dragon Ball Z: God and God The Z Sword is planted up to its hilt into a mountain in the Kaioshin Realm. This must have been before his imprisonment, so I’m using the Daizenshuu 7 dating for that. Several distant planets are stars were shown to be disintegrated by the destructive force of the shock waves and Elder Kai estimated that in just 3 clashes, the entire universe will turn into a vacuum of nothingness . KING KAI: You're just lucky that Lord Beerus was in a good enough mood to hold back his actual power. The VS Sections; Casual Debates; Welcome to Take Five! We're happy to have you here. 1. He was freaked out by how fearsome I am. Lo~ong, lo~ong ago, there was this ridiculously strong and ba~~~ad dude. Yep, sure waaaaas.”, ~Goku blasts Elder Kaioshin, who gets really hurt~. I cannot fathom how strong Goku would be if he trained for 75 million years with Whis. However, in Xenoverse 2 and during the Majin Buu conflict it is implied that Elder Kai and Beerus are no longer linked as Elder Kai dies after transferring his life to Goku and Beerus threatens to kill him in Xenoverse 2, though in the latter situation Beerus and Elder Kai are implied to originate from different versions of the main timeline which would render the life link moot even if their lives were linked. Not knowing what it is, she puts it on, merging the two forever. Apart from the size it was completely the same as it is now, with nothing but grassy fields and roads. BEERUS: Till we meet again, North Kai. So, what if maybe Elder Kai made a petty insult to Beers, like a cat joke or something? I mean, we all know Beerus gets angry pretty easily(as seen with the pudding). An argument over something trifling sounds exactly like what Beerus would get upset about. Kaiō-sama enjoyed his hobby, driving, but then one day Beerus, the God of Destruction, stopped by and they played a video game together (it was a car racing one). There probably wasn't any actual fight between the two, given the vast difference in strength between the two. This sounds like a great idea and I hope you'll post your final draft here when it's complete! So since the Elder Kai was sealed inside of the Z sword for a long ass time, would he still be linked to Beerus is the same way that Shin is? Cookies help us deliver our Services. Me here. It is implied that Beerus … Beerus goes next to whis and the two travel to King Kai planet . But if you see something you want to reply to, you will need to register before you are able to respond. So could he take on Beerus? Next up to the plate is the Grand Supreme Kai, also known as Daikaioh and/or the Great Lord of Lords. [KING KAI sighs] KING KAI: But now we've got a bigger problem. It can be a pretty small dispute. [KIBITO KAI gasps] ELDER KAI: Imagine if they keep hammering at each other, Winner gets the last pudding. So what's the verdict? He was freaked out by how fearsome I am. Beerus, the Lord is the God of Destruction of Universe 7. Win by any means necessary. Beerus: take me there at once! Old Kai is average height, purple-skinned, with a small tuft of white hair on his head and a toothbrush mustache on his face. This is due to the fact that the Kai's of U7 never have given the potara to a mortal before and thus assumed it would end the same. After being fused to a witch by accident, Elder Kai gained magical abilities. In the movie itself, Whis explains that Beerus destroyed it after losing at hide-and-seek. While still technically subserviant to both the Supreme Kai a… What makes this even funnier is that I don’t think it matters if Beerus kills Elder Kai, since his life is linked to Supreme Kai. Haha, I love the idea of having a cat joke, will definetly include it. The only version of the Grand Supreme Kai that might have stood a small chance against Beerus was prior to his first fight with Moro. So Beerus is well over 75 million years old? As the Dragon Ball Wiki states, he had to give up most of his godly powers in order to defeat Moro the first time, which likely means he was still weakened once he eventually fought Kid Buu. But I will point out Elder Kai being wrong about the Potara has no bearing on something of this scale. I did a quick search of the wiki to find that supposedly Beerus trapped Old Kai in the Z sword 75 million years ago after an argument at a meeting. I’m assuming this happens in the same general era as his imprisonment, and arbitrarily placing it after his warning to the Namekians. The Elder gods vs Beerus. Question about Elder Kai and Beerus. He did it, he seeeeealed me away inside that sword. Whis: yes Beerus. Kaiō then took a large leftover fragment, whittled it down to a sphere, and built a road on it so that he could have fun driving there. For those who haven't been keeping up with the Dragon Ball Super manga, the Kai was able to seal away the energy-absorbing wizard Moro 10 million years ago. Though the more insane aspects of his persona are dialed back some in Xenoverse 2, his general negative attitude towards anyone who isn't him is on full display, regularly talking down to Max Stone, whom he regards as little more than muscle to be thrown into danger for the cause of the patrol. An additional, and slightly more disturbing aspect to his character has been the ever increasing level of authority he's acquired within the Universe. [Ref: Elder Kaioshin’s imprisonment is described in Chapter 479, but no date is specified besides it being 15 generations ago. I'd be happy to help! KING KAI, BUBBLES, GREGORY: Whoa. By the way, that God of Destruction was Beerus. Unfortunately, we may never know how truly strong he was in the years before that encounter. The version of Buu that fought Moro on New Namek was clearly a more capable fighter, but you have to remember that his main advantage was being immune to Moro's magic, which wouldn't play any role into trying to take on Beerus' God Ki. Also it cant be too long, I'm a good artist but I dont have all the time to draw loads of beautiful frames, maybe 10 pages or so, also I would like to keep it as lore friendly as possible. These ideas are great, will come in handy for creating the "Trifling Disagreement". [Ref: Elder Kaioshin explains warning the Namekians in Chapter 509. Beerus lost, and so the planet was destroyed by the peeved God of Destruction. Maybe the Hakaishin were scared of Rou Kaioushin making a being more powerful than they were with his ability, or maybe Rou Kaioushin refused to release their full power, and Beerus grew irritated as a result. --The East Kaioshin carelessly allows an old witch to take one of his Potara earrings. The Elder Kaioshin formally being an East Kaioshin is from DBZ Son Goku Densetsu.]. And when Moro escaped, the Galactic Patrol captured Majin Buu and reawakened the Grand Supreme Kai in order to help the patrol, as well as Goku and Vegeta, defeat Moro once again. Most notably, he now has the ability to draw out anyone’s hidden power to far beyond its limits. A: The fact is, it was destroyed by the God of Destruction!! Could the Grand Supreme Kai Defeat Beerus? Beerus vs Glossaryck Speed Equalized Battle takes place at the snack aisle of your local convenience store. As it was stated before, the shockwaves created with their fight gets worse overtime which would result in the deaths of everything in the universe including beerus and goku (stated by elder kai). Bye! I have a school media assignment where I have to make some kind of graphic novel or film related to a given topic, and we are allowed to draw from other TV series and Films. And these waves gain strength the farther they travel. Me here. - June 9, 2019 06:53 pm EDT. The only version of the Grand Supreme Kai that might have stood a small chance against Beerus was prior to his first fight with Moro. Likewise, given what Rou Kaioushin said in the manga, their disagreement stems from Rou Kaioushin's ability to bring someone past their natural limits. Well the answer isn't as cut and dry as you'd might think. 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