Personally not that it matters I'd get a bigger caliber as opposed to a bigger bullet. Page 2 of 2 < Prev 1 2. After the Great War, cupro-nickel, of 60 percent copper and 40 percent nickel, became the jacket of choice. and 280 Rem. She required a follow up shot, but that was my fault (bullet placement) not bullet performance. To offer the consistent accuracy necessary to successfully compete in long-range disciplines, a premium, perfectly true action was called for. Elk don't typically react much to getting shot, but this one shuddered, staggered backward, and toppled in less time than it takes to tell. Of the many fine long-range optics available, Leupold's VX-6 3-18X is the lightest scope (19 ounces) that offers the features critical to serious long-range shooting. Both impacted inside the 6-inch black dot spray painted in the steel target's center. With the competition completed using the Berger load, I returned to searching for a super-accurate handload with the Hornady ELD-X line. In performance, the.280 Ackley Improved typically adds 100 to 150 fps to standard.280 Rem. From the start, the notion of a 7mm cartridge with the ballistics and long life of the 6.5 Creedmoor kept popping up like one of those trick birthday candles that won't stay blown out. You can see how a bull moose reacted to my 7mm Rem. Don't get me wrong; accuracy wasn't bad, regularly less than 1 MOA, but even with extensive load development it didn't offer the sub-0.5-MOA accuracy necessary for competition shooting. That 77-V in 7mm Remington Express (280 Remington) was an Antelope and high plains Mule Deer killing MACHINE! As for the cartridge, it must have a high-BC bullet of moose adequate diameter and weight at respectable velocities, thus producing bona fide authority and minimal wind drift, all this without scorching the barrel inside of 2,500 rounds or kicking the stuffing out of me over long practice sessions. The .270 Winchester, .280 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved, and 7mm Remington Magnum are all wonderfully suited for hunting medium game like mule deer, blacktail deer, whitetail deer, roe deer, fallow deer, pronghorn, and feral hogs. Again, I was fortunate to bring back a bull. Instead of .284″ bullets like the 7mm Mauser (and more recently developed cartridges like the 7mm-08, .280 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved, and 7mm Remington Magnum), the .270 Winchester used .277″ bullets which undoubtedly hampered adoption of the cartridge to a certain degree. More recently, with a Montana rifle bored for the largely unsung .280 Remington (circa 1957), I climbed under a bleak, black sky toward timberline. | Picking the 10 “best” or most favorable cartridges for hunting any animal is a highly subjective and challenging task. However, it was introduced in a different time, when the ascendancy of the bolt action wasn’t as clear as it is today. Gilding metal (90 percent copper, 10 percent zinc) was first thought too soft for the friction generated by 150-grain bullets in .30-06 service ammunition. Nosler, Dakota Arms and most custom rifle makers are making rifles for the cartridge. Light weight is critical when hunting high elevations, and the author's Proof Research Summit rifle proved to be ideal for prowling Utah's alpine country. Mike Degerness of Proof Research exhorted me to come to my senses and go with the .280 Ackley Improved. A century ago, bullets were just getting used to high speed. We're taking a look at what the Army's Elite Units are using for service rifles and what the future of SOCOM sniping looks like. For readers unfamiliar with the cartridge, it is simply the .280 Remington that's had its shoulder angle and body taper "blown out" to increase internal capacity. Then in 1986 I had a full custom Rifle built for myself in caliber 280 Remington. For lighter bullets there will be about a 100 fps difference in velocity, and not much change in impact at normal hunting ranges. Match, The Future Of Special Operations Small Arms. We look at the futuristic .450 Bushmaster and how it compares to the tried and true .45-70. Discussion in 'Hunting' started by salthouse, Jun 19, 2006. The .280 Remington, also known as the 7mm-06 Remington and 7mm Express Remington, was introduced in 1957 for the Remington model 740, 760, 721, and 725 rifles. I like deep wound channels, not to mention the generous blood trails provided by exit holes. The downside? Win mag I ended up selling and the new 260. Homing in on the 600- yard plate, he squeezed the trigger and absolutely centered the 4-inch black dot. velocities and nips at the heels of the 7mm Remington Magnum. The lightweight .280 Ackley Improved Summit is light enough for sheep hunting, accurate enough for long-range competitions, and powerful enough for moose. The 7mms from 7x57mm Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem. Best of all, it achieves this efficiently by burning considerably less powder and generating less recoil than the 7mm Rem. .280 remington Been doing a lot of research on the.280 and it seems to be neck and neck with the ole work horse 30-06. It's a combination never possible before today's space-age lightweight barrels and superb optics. Inside 300 or even 400 yards, they served adequately. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. To try out the rifle in competition, I ran the 2016 Vortex Extreme Challenge, a 7.5-mile cross-country race with targets to 1,200 yards. Although lightweight, the Proof Research carbonfiber-wrapped barrel maintains its accuracy and point of impact even over long shot strings and is just right for long-range cross-country competition. Importantly, barrel life would be high and recoil would be low. Jenna's opportunity came close, so close that she fired offhand and absolutely poleaxed the buck at 55 yards. One of my favorite rifles is a 280 and have seen some really big moose taken with 280's,but i think they were made for the 140 or 160's.If you go up to 175's or bigger I think you need to go 7MM mag for the extra power Nonplussed, I turned back to the Berger load. Before opening day of Utah's spike bull elk season, Dallin and I checked our zeros, and just for fun, I took two shots at 1,100 yards. Although many sheep rifles fitted with ultra-slim barrels are superbly accurate over three shots, they do not hold that accuracy over 10 consecutive shots. Developed by P.O. I killed one of my elk this year with a 280 Remington and a 160gr bullet at a little passed 300 yards. The 300. I've chronoed a number of loads, worked up to 'maximum' powder charges as shown by numerous reloading manuals and online sources, all with velocities in the mild to disappointing range. 2. Rifles in the .280chambering outsold the other two combined. Win mag with whatever shot well out of it (most recently was using 215 hybrids never got to try out on moose) and a Remington 700 bdl 7mm mag back up rifle. ©2020 Outdoor Sportsman Group. All Rights Reserved. The .280 Remington is essentially the .30/06 necked down to 7mm with some slight dimensional differences, the most important of these that the shoulder is moved slightly forward so the .280 will not chamber in the .270. The 280 Remington and the 284 Winchester will shoot bullets of 160 grains and heavier to nearly the same velocity and point of impact. Yes. through the 7mm magnums are excellent choices with 150 to 175-grain slugs. Plus, while barrel life is good, usually somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000 rounds depending on how aggressively the shooter pushes his handloads, it's no .308 Winchester or 6.5 Creedmoor in terms of barrel life. Armed with the two handloads — the Berger for use in competition and on game up through small to medium elk and the Barnes for mature, heavy-boned, and densely muscled bull elk, moose, and bison — I'm well equipped for darn near anything. Hunting with match bullets — including Berger's hunting-branded VLD, which originally began life as a match bullet — is something I've always avoided. One is a pointed Core-Lokt, one is a Nosler ballistic tip, and the third is a boat-tail spitzer bullet. The 280 Remington could be the Goldilocks of standard-length action hunting rounds. 280 Ackley, 168 berger vld. Optically speaking, I was in business. Best of all, the barrels hold their accuracy over extended shot strings and typically have no discernible point of impact shift. Kyle kills a nice 6x6 Bull at 325 yards. With all due respect to Jack O’Connor, his favored.270 load with a fast stepping and fast expanding 130 grain bullet is … Knowing that I'd be using the rifle in various challenging environments from the desert Southwest to high alpine mountains, I decided to man up and carry the weight of steel. Another stubby powerhouse, the .300 Remington Short Action Ultra Mag, also came my way before I’d heard of it dropping an elk. No moose or bison tags have shown up in my mailbox, so the rifle's authority on North America's biggest hooved game remains theoretical. mountain hunt: History. When Remingtonintroduced its lightweight M700 Mountain rifle back in the early 1990s it wasinitially offered in .280, along with the .30/06 and .270. Any point of impact shift is unacceptable. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Bigger isn’t always better when it comes to picking a cartridge for moose hunting. James Tarr runs through the 3-Second Headshot drill. Used my newest 280 and the 140 AB on my last elk. In performance, the .280 Ackley Improved typically adds 100 to 150 fps to standard .280 Rem. Great accuracy results, from a number of combos. I've competed with it, hunted with it, and helped new shooters ring faraway targets with it. (This one ultimately proved to be the hardest criterion to satisfy.). This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Accurate? While not exactly a fire-breather, such a cartridge qualifies comfortably as moose-capable. Big bore semiauto or a lever gun? Did just fine. A bit more heft in the riflescope was a necessary evil. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. With a salute to Degerness's foresight, I put in an order for a Summit chambered in .280 Ackley Improved. As a result, while they are very capable in their intended realm, they don't qualify for competitive shooting wherein extended-string accuracy and minimal point of impact shift are imperative. Without doubt, it's P.O. As a plus, the carbon-fiber wrapping seems to dampen vibration, making for a very forgiving barrel. At first I was inclined to use a custom titanium action and have Steve Pratt of Elk Meadow Performance build the rifle. 175 Gr. I took the Berger bullet hunting. Scottso Member. Ackley's most popular Improved cartridge, holding the honor of being the only one ever legitimized by a major ammo company. In the 150gr. Discussion in 'Hunting' started by salthouse, Jun 19, 2006. 280 Remington As Goldilocks. The resulting accuracy was 0.75 MOA, which is definitely plenty good for hunting, but vague pressure signs accompanied the accuracy node I found via ladder tests. This category includes such cartridges as the .264 Winchester Magnum, .270 Winchester, the .270 Magnums, .280 Remington, the 7mm Magnums, .308 Winchester, .30-06 Springfield, .303 British and 8x57JS. However, in order to achieve the "long-range competition-capable" part of this project, a serious scope is necessary. Just noticed this was resurrected from a year ago.Wonder if he had any luck. The latter enabled me to run updated ballistic calculations and dial in MOA should I end up shooting in atmospheric conditions vastly different from the 6,000 feet elevation and 50-degree temperature the turret was calculated at. Team partner Paul Dallin and I scored high in pure shooting results and respectably overall. At one point my six-year-old son laid down behind it for his first-ever shot with a centerfire rifle. Match bullet. Today, loaded ammunition and new brass are available from Nosler. My opportunity to take a young bull elk came at about 6,000 feet on a balmy October morning — calibrated, almost, for the scope's turret. The.270 Winchester, the 7-08, the.280 Remington with a 150 grain controlled expansion bullet would do the trick on a moose, especially for a recoil sensitive hunter. Discussion Starter • #1 • Sep 2, 2006. Hot-barrel testing proved the load was consistent and the rifle tremendously accurate. Not too hard, not too soft, not too fast, not too slow, but just right because it shoots mid-caliber .284-inch diameter bullets. It's safe to say this rifle will become a family heirloom. No company builds such barrels better than Proof Research. 15 Posts . The 30-284 wildcat used the same loading data as the 30-06. Leupold's custom shop engraved a turret calibrated for the Berger load, marked in yards to 1,150 on the circumference and — to my specifications — with an MOA scale around the top edge. A month later my wife and I hauled the family south to fill her Utah mule deer tag. Remington .280 factory loads are currently offered with three different 140 grain spitzer bullets, all with a muzzle velocity of 3,000 fps and a muzzle energy of 2,797 ft. lb. All I can claim is the concept of chambering such a rifle for a cartridge both moose-worthy and competition-appropriate and pressing it into service as a long-range cross-country match rifle. Throat so I can load slugs such as the 175 RN Hornaday out to get max powder capacity and my intent is to use this for MOOSE! However, Pratt cautioned that titanium tends to gall if too much grit or crud gets into the locking lugs. Leupold's custom shop installed a dual-rotation turret with both zero stop and zero lock, solving the issue; installed a capable MOA reticle; and Cerakoted the scope Tungsten Gray to match the Summit rifle. Both deflated and elated, I realized that all I had to do was pick the right cartridge and put a Summit to work. While they are not necessarily perfect, they are the minimum recommended moose cartridges. Nor did the 175- grain version of the ELD-X, even using same-lot bullets that reliably produce bug-cluster groups in my custom 7mm Weatherby Magnum rifle. Joined: May 23, 2006 Messages: 98 Location: NYC. and probably moose alone although a black bear may slip into the scope on occasion. I considered the 7mm-08, 7mm-08 Improved, .284 Winchester, 7mm SAUM, and various short-action wildcat cartridges that would allow me to keep weight to a minimum and still make the moose-terminating grade. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. While possible, it's not ideal. An informal autopsy later revealed that the Berger scrambled both lungs and the arteries at the top of the heart before exiting the point of the offside shoulder. Short to medium range (100-200 yard) moose cartridges. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Ackley and Fred Huntington and known previously by a variety of names such as the “.280 Rem. But Western Cartridge Company’s Lubaloy jacket, comprising 90 percent copper, 8 percent zinc and 2 percent t… Instead of defining scoped sheep-rifle weight as 7.5 pounds, a naked rifle weight of 6.5 pounds — which is about what one of O'Connor's rifles would have weighed bare — seemed appropriate. Perhaps a tad bit better gun because of the killing power and the small amount of recoil. the .284 W is much younger than the .280, but not as young as the "new kid" the 7mm-08. The .280 Ackley Improved looks like a winner as a deer, pronghorn, elk and moose hunting cartridge. Eventually, a set of parameters established themselves in my over-fertile imagination, and I defined the mythical rifle that might do everything as follows. 280 Remington for Moose. Winchester .350 Legend Rifles and Ammo Available Right Now, Ruger 10/22 Competition Rifle at 300 Yards, Revolver vs. Semiauto Pistol: A Ballistic Oddity, Stevens Model 52 – Happy to Meet You, Lucile, Winchester XPR Renegade Long Range SR Review, How I Built One Rifle That Does Everything, Black Hills Evolution of Rifle Cartridge: .308 Win. 280 AI shoots 50 fps to 100 fps faster than the 280 Remington with the same bullets in the same standard-length actions. However, there's no arguing with the quick, clean kill. I give the edge to the less-popular .280 Remington for one reason and one reason only: the available bullet weight. We ping steel with a .300 WinMag at over a mile. It shoots flat for long-range work and is an extremely accurate cartridge. Jenna had never fired the Summit rifle, so we pulled off on public land to allow her to get acquainted with it. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. Mag. With three versions, three barrel lengths, and three different finishes from which to choose,... Like situational ethics, standards of accuracy vary according to circumstances. Although I'd like to take credit for creating a rifle type that satisfies the criteria outlined here, I can't. Only one barrel type that I'm aware of is both sheep-rifle light and competition capable, and that's a properly constructed, carbon-fiber-wrapped barrel. Aside from the cartridge (which I'll get to shortly), the last piece of the puzzle was an appropriate scope. Serious scopes, like quality camera lenses, are weighty. So at last the .280 had overcome itsdismal beginnings and joined the pantheon of great hunting cartridges. 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